Podcast Episode 53. To Go or Not To Go: Assessing the Risks of Going Out When Alcohol is Involved

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Feeling like you might be the odd one out at social gatherings because you’ve chosen sobriety? You’re not alone. In this episode, I share tips to help you decide if navigating social events where alcohol is often front and center is something you are ready for.

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00:03 – Jessica Dueñas (Host)
Hey everyone. Jessica here and it is so nice to be back. I have taken huge intentional breaks over the course of this summer that I’m not apologizing for. I needed to take time to myself and so I took it, but I’m happy to be back. I felt moved to create a podcast episode to talk about the decision to go out or not to go out as a sober person when we know that alcohol is going to be at whatever venue we’re going to. I recently had an opportunity to go out to dinner with my coworkers and I had so much fun. It was such a great opportunity to just connect with my colleagues outside of the university setting.

00:43
But what I realized is that there are a lot of things that have to be in place before I can go out with people and be comfortable with them drinking to their heart’s content. While I have water or whatever else I choose to drink that has no alcohol in it, right, and so I wanted to bring that here. In case this is something that you struggle with or are struggling with, or if you know someone who’s struggling with, then send them this episode to listen to, because that’s the thing, right. Like how often have any of us said to ourselves or thought I don’t want to be left out because I don’t drink. Or, you know, if I skip the happy hour, or if I skip a boozy meal, or if I skip, you know, the holiday party, right, if I skip insert event here, I will stop getting invited altogether. And again, if you have thought these things, you are absolutely not alone. And here’s the thing a person who is strong in their recovery can go anywhere. I’m gonna say that again. A person who is strong in their recovery can go anywhere. I’m going to say that again. A person who is strong in their recovery can go anywhere. When I am feeling very well, taken care of, when I feel strong in general, and I know that I don’t want to get out of my feelings, get out of my head, get out of the skin that I’m in, I know that I’m good and I can go, do whatever and partake in any activity that I want to, whether or not there’s alcohol there. But if I am feeling weak, if I am feeling insecure, if I am doubting my decision, if I am feeling like I want what they want, then those are all a lot of good reasons to potentially say no for now and stay home, then those are all a lot of good reasons to potentially say no for now and stay home. So, essentially, this is how I knew that I would be fine.

02:28
So the first thing that I want to point out right is that whoever you are spending time with, there should be someone in that group that knows that you are not drinking. I’m not going to sit here and tell you, to tell your whole entire life story to this one trusted soul that knows that you’re not drinking. I’m not saying that. But what I am saying is that someone should be made aware in that group of your intention to not drink. Why One? That’s going to establish an opportunity for accountability, right? If you know that someone else knows what you’re trying to do, that automatically helps you stay focused and stay on track with your goal. But secondly, it also gives you the opportunity to have some built-in support at whatever this event is.

03:12
Because the thing is, people often want to help us, but if we don’t explicitly open our mouths and ask for that help, if we don’t say, hey, if you notice me going for that wine, can you like just give me a look? Right, just a look can be enough, but if we don’t communicate that need for support, people won’t know how to help us. They won’t even know that we need the help or the support. So it really becomes our responsibility to make sure that there’s at least one human being in that space who we can trust to know that we are not going to drink. Fun fact, my dog is drinking, like got super thirsty right now and was drinking a lot of water. So maybe you heard him lapping up the water, maybe you didn’t, but I’m not editing it. So moving forward, here’s the thing If you find that you don’t feel safe telling at least one person of your intention to not drink and you are still insisting on going to this event, let me tell you something there’s going to be a huge probability of you drinking.

04:15
Why? Because there’s not going to be any human soul there physically for you to like, look to or talk to or confide in right, you’re going at it alone. For you to like, look to or talk to or confide in right, you’re going at it alone. And then B, if people don’t know that you are not drinking, they’re going to be offering you alcohol. So imagine how many more times you’re going to have to say no or decline right. That’s a lot of mental energy for yourself to be constantly having to decline something, as opposed to going in with the established fact that, no, you are not consuming this.

04:45
For example, with my colleagues, my coworkers they have known a since they won that I don’t drink Like I walked into that job interview and I was like I want to work here because I I’m in recovery and I want college students to know an adult in recovery. So that has been well established on my part and obviously my storytelling style and my level of openness is very unique. But again, you know what’s never going to happen. There will never be. Well, I can’t say never, but I highly doubt that a coworker of mine is ever going to offer me a drink because they know not just that I don’t drink, but they know I have a history of addiction. You are never going to offer a heroin user who’s in recovery you know heroin right going to offer a heroin user who’s in recovery you know heroin right. Same way, people who know someone has struggled for real with alcohol aren’t about to give them alcohol. So again, if you find that you cannot tell anybody that you are not drinking tonight at this event, then you know what. You are better off protecting yourself and staying home. You’re probably not ready to say yes, and that’s okay.

05:44
The other thing to consider is what is your attitude toward the people who are still drinking? Right, Because this can go about three different ways. One you might be looking at people who are drinking and you are like, oh my gosh, I wish I could still drink. I’m so jealous, I hate it here. I hate this stupid sobriety thing. It’s so unfair that I have to stop drinking. Why can’t I just drink like them? Right?

06:13
If that’s the stream of consciousness that comes up for you when you see other people drink, right, then you’re better off staying home again, because it’s just going to fill you with yearning for something that you don’t have and can’t really have right now, or at all, or it’s going to fill you with resentment. And why do you want to put yourself in that position again? I mean recovery. I’ll be the first one to tell you that being sober is not the easiest thing, right, and sobriety doesn’t guarantee you, like this, easy life. However, what I will say is that if you struggle to recognize that your relationship with alcohol is different than other people’s and so you’re still wanting what they have. Then again, just stay safe and stay home. Right, wait until your relationship with your sobriety is stronger, so that you’re not necessarily wanting what other people have.

07:02
The second way that this can go in terms of attitudes towards alcohol or people who still drink is that maybe you are loving sobriety, maybe you are on this pink cloud and you have seen the light and you have read what’s that book? Quit Like a Woman and you are just all about how, like, big alcohol is just producing this mass amounts of poison that are killing people and everyone should just be sober, right, maybe you’ve got that level of enthusiasm, which is great, except that if your friend is about to down a flight of shots of tequila, you have no business in that moment saying anything or trying to change their behavior. Right, like good for you that you are happy about your recovery and that you are proud of your sobriety journey. But the point is it’s your journey, right, and you walk it on your own right. You. You can’t do it alone, but it is your path and it is your responsibility.

07:52
So what you need to recognize is is that you know, especially a social event is not the place to try to convert people who are drinkers into sobriety right. And so if you are sitting in these spaces looking at people who are still drinking with judgment or thinking almost that like you’re now so much more elevated because you’re sober, then you should save your energy and save their time and not go have dinner or go out with them, because, for what? Why are you gonna sit there filling your body full of that energy of just judgment? You might as well stay home. The third way that that can go is that you’re you’re not judgy and you kind of you don’t care what they’re doing with themselves, because you recognize that they are in their own bodies, they’re walking their own paths, they’re living their own journeys, and so you get to just really enjoy their company. Again, I had a blast with my coworkers because I focused on enjoying their company. I had a blast with my coworkers because I focused on enjoying their company. I focused on enjoying their humor. They’re silly, they’re funny, they’re charismatic, and I did all of that without judgment. But if I was sitting there judging them for whatever they were consuming, there is no way that it would have been an enjoyable social event.

09:03
The other thing to consider if you’re going to go to a social event is will you have an exit strategy? If you can’t get out by yourself, then don’t go, because what’s really important is for you to be able to leave when you are ready to and when you want to. Tired, then you need to protect yourself and not go, because when you stress your body, when you exhaust your body, that is absolutely going to increase the risk of wanting to drink. So it’s so important that you honor your limits and just go home when you need to, but if you can’t, then don’t go. And then, really, the last thing that I just wanted to talk about here is finding a place of acceptance. If you can accept that you are on a sobriety path which will absolutely look different from the path of the people that you are with. If you can’t accept that, then that is not the space for you to be in.

10:04
Right, because it’s important for you to acknowledge, like number one, you’re going to have to probably drink water or see if they maybe have a mocktail or alcohol free option on the menu, which a lot of places still don’t have, right? So that means that if you want to have like a drink that’s not a soft drink, you’re going to have to sit there and ask the server, right, can I have an alcoholfree version of insert, whatever mocktail that there is? And, yes, there will be probably some awkwardness, right, that comes up for advocating for your special needs, your specific needs. But you have to remember that any awkwardness that comes up is definitely well worth waking up the next day without having to worry like what the hell you did the night before, right. But if those things are too much for you, if you think that everyone is going to swivel their head and stare at you the second that you say alcohol free, you know whatever, then don’t go.

10:59
But the reality is people don’t really care if you’re not drinking. That that really is it, unless they have a problem themselves with alcohol and they look at you changing your relationship with alcohol as a threat to their relationship with alcohol. They really don’t care. And so, with that being said, you know, just remember, you weren’t born to be like everyone else, right? If you were meant to conform in the first place, you would have been born like, exactly like everyone else. But we were born to be individuals. We were born to just be who we’re meant to be.

11:36
When you start to feel like, oh my gosh, I’m so different, I’m so unique from my coworkers, you know, and you start to feel sort of like this sense of absolute isolation. If you haven’t joined any sobriety support communities, I highly recommend that you do. Why? Because when you go in there and you open your mouth and share, you’re going to find that shocker. You’re not the only one who feels this way and it helps you feel a lot less isolated. So I would highly highly recommend it. I host meetings at the luckiest club, the luckiest clubcom, but there’s tons of other communities and tons of other options.

12:10
So, again, everyone is going to find that their readiness level for certain. You know, situations, experiences comes at different times, if it ever even comes right. Maybe you just don’t want to partake in these kinds of events, and that’s okay. But if you realize that you would like to be able to go out to meals with friends or different social groups and be okay with other people drinking, don’t force it. Wait until you’re ready. Wait until you feel strong enough, right Again, look to some of the things that I mentioned in this episode and also consider what else do you need for yourself? What other metrics for yourself might help you decide if you can handle these situations or not. They’re not for everybody and there’s no need to rush into them. And again, you are different because you’re an individual and you are unique, and so it’s okay if you don’t blend in with everyone at work. It’s okay if you don’t blend in with your friend group exactly as you used to. You’re not meant to be like everyone else. That’s that.


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To Go or Not to Go: Assessing the Risks of Dining Out with Alcohol as a Sober Person

It’s a common worry: “I don’t want to be left out because I don’t drink,” or “If I skip happy hour or a boozy meal, will I stop getting invited altogether?” Many people face these thoughts when they’re changing their relationship with alcohol but still want to socialize with friends who drink.

A person who is strong in their recovery can go anywhere and be fine, but the question remains: how do you know if you’re ready to accept an invite like this?

This week, I had the opportunity to go to a dinner filled with belly laughs with my colleagues who drink, and this was how I knew I would be fine.

Whoever you are breaking bread with should know you’re not drinking. When you’re navigating social events while maintaining sobriety, it’s crucial to let someone in the group know that you’re not drinking. They don’t need to know your full story or personal traumas, but having at least one trusted soul in that group aware of your choice provides a sense of accountability and support. For example, my colleagues knew from the moment I walked into my job interview that I wanted to model recovery for college students. They know alcohol is not an option for me, period. While my situation and how open I am about my story is unique, the principle remains: you can’t do this alone, and someone should be aware of your decision not to drink. If you don’t feel safe communicating a plan to not drink to at least one person in the group, maybe you’re not ready to say yes.

Examine your attitude about people who do still drink. When you see others drinking, do you feel a longing for what they are having? Or is there some rage that rises up in you where you want to cry and scream at the world, shaking your fist as you bellow, “It’s not fair that I can’t drink?”

If seeing others drink makes you yearn for what they’re having or fills you with resentment, it might be best to decline the invitation until you’re more secure in your sobriety. Recovery isn’t always sunshine and rainbows, but if you struggle to recognize that your relationship with alcohol is not the same as your peers, and you feel a strong desire to drink, protect yourself and stay home until you feel stronger.

On the other hand, have you seen the light now that you’re sober and wish sobriety on everyone? Is it nearly impossible to wrap your mind around the fact that people you know still ingest this poison into their bodies? If your sobriety has made you want to preach its benefits to that friend as they get ready to consume a flight of shots, and you find it hard to understand why others still drink, it’s also wise to stay home. Recovery is your journey; what others do with their bodies is their business. Social events are not the place to silently judge or try to convert others. Remember, at some point, you were in their shoes. Gifting myself moments of joy with my colleagues was only possible because I focused on enjoying their company and humor without judgment.

Have an exit strategy. Just as my teammates knew I wouldn’t be drinking, they also knew I wouldn’t be out late. Giving yourself permission to leave whenever you’re ready alleviates the pressure of ignoring your body’s signals when it’s tired. Stressing your body increases the risk of wanting to drink, so it’s important to honor your limits and exit when you need to.

Accept that you’re on this path, which will look different from others’ journeys. Acknowledge that you’ll need to order a water, choose from the mocktail section of the menu, or ask for an alcohol-free version of a cocktail. Any awkwardness that may come from advocating for your unique needs is well worth waking up the next day without worrying about what you did the night before. I wasn’t born to be just like everyone else, so when I start to worry about standing out, I remind myself that I wasn’t meant to conform in the first place—neither were you. When you join sobriety support group communities, including spaces like The Luckiest Club, where I host meetings, you get to see that you aren’t alone.

Ultimately, everyone finds their readiness for certain experiences at different times, if ever. Maybe you have zero desire to partake in a social event where alcohol is served, or maybe you don’t feel ready yet. Wherever you are, it’s fine. You grow at the pace that’s meant for you, not on someone else’s timeline.


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Guest Submission: A Truth I Learned About Myself

This guest submission comes from one of my Writing to Heal students, where participants find the courage to heal by facing their stories, often for the first time. I am deeply grateful to Jorgie for his vulnerability and so proud of the growth in his writing from Week 1 to Week 6 of our program.

Content Warning: Physical Violence and Language.

A truth I learned about myself while working with my therapist, is that I was addicted to “codependency”, and nobody could tell me shit otherwise. I was heavily relying on my relationship with my ex-partner and people throughout my life, so my therapist explained to me, “People (Bodies), Places (Alcohol), and Things (Pills) were “wants” of mine, not “needs.” My assumption was that as long as I was in school and working that, I was doing ok, and that my societal expectations were being met. My needing assistance is ok if I need help and support from my family and friends, not be an “Emotional Vampire” and drain the life forces from the people that I love and care about. Afterward, I started to take responsibility for the actions that I had always avoided. Through sobriety, I was more “Present,” and my awareness heightened, and I was able to think more clearly and not depend on Alcohol and Pills for escapism and avoidance.

Codependency started blooming from childhood because even though I had a roof over my head, sometimes, with the chaos at home, the roof would constantly shatter over my head, shake the walls, and I always hid from loudness. My parents fought constantly; my dad would hit my mom, pinch her, and pull her hair, and in retaliation, my mom would explode with rage and break dishes in the house. The screaming and the sounds of flesh hitting flesh caused huge knots in my stomach, that is, until this day, whenever I hear loudness, my sensors go up.  I hid, avoided, and exploded. My parents loved me, unfortunately they did not have the resources and coping skills for communication, embrace and peace due to Intergenerational trauma passed down from my grandparents and my great grandparents.

Every time there was chaos in the house, I always ran into my bedroom, jumped on the bed, forced my face down on the pillow, and sobbed. Consciously I went in there to hide because it was the only door in the house with a lock on it and a big bed to keep me afloat and protect me like a fortress from violence. The knots in my gut that were corralling around like vines with thorns on it, made my stomach so heavy, it was like swallowing a bowling ball, the heaviness would not go away, until the fights subsided. It was like my throat was dry as the desert, could not swallow, forcefully exhaling my breaths out of my cracked quaky lips which only stayed lubricated from my tears rolling down my cheeks. I was a “Professional Hider” with my heavy breathing and uncontrollable sobbing, while the background noise continued with my parents screaming, yelling, fighting, dishes breaking, and empty threats.

As I got older, I became an “Emotional Vampire”. The chaos that ensued at home did not fill me with love, only dread. Everyone within my proximity, I would suck their energy like a mosquito, and not getting enough blood. If they did not answer the phone, I would give them hell. If they did not answer my text messages I would ignore them for days, even weeks. Being alone and in my thoughts, I absolutely could not do it, so I always bombarded my friends with phone calls to hang out, get high, drunk, and numb out. If my friends did not meet my expectations to hang out or even talk, they would meet the “Brown Eyed Bitch”. Even though they loved me, they just found me relentless and exhausting and would ignore me. I will show them!

The Brown Eyed Bitch (BEB) was the life of the party; everyone always needed Jorgie at the party to hype it up, twerk upside down, vomit and be a hot damn mess. Like two sides of a coin, there was the “Jorgie” side, and the “BEB” side. If I called a friend and they did not answer, beware if I leave a voicemail, “Oh so you did not answer your phone? Ok! I see how it is, Celebrity! Let me ask you, are you on an EGOT? Do you have an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar or Tony? I don’t think so so why didn’t you pick up the fucking phone?!” If the BEB texted, and there was no response, then it becomes…

“Hello?”

“Are you there?”

“So now you’re ignoring me?

“Ok watch!”

“Wait until I see you”

“Bitch”

“Love you!”

If my friends could not fill my love tank, then “bodies” would. So I started to randomly hook up with strangers online, and on blind first dates, that just led to Blackout Sex. The embrace, hugs, and kisses that I did not get from home, I would look for complete strangers who would fill me up, never see them again, and move on to the next one. It was not until I went on a blind date that finally, a spark was formed when I met my future partner, when we went to the movies to see Inception. We really enjoyed each other’s company, so we went on many more dates, and ended up together for the next 12 years. Unfortunately, towards the end of the relationship, we were both drinking and using, and what I saw in my parents as a child was now something I did with my partner. The yelling, slapping, kicking, disagreements, it was like a cycle of violence all over again into my adulthood.

In the beginning, we were goo goo gaga for each other, love at first sight, the perfect couple. Finally, I felt at peace in my life, and I had a life I could share with someone,spend the rest of my life with, and create a future together. Unfortunately, we found a hobby together, which was drinking. We drank everyday, then one day my partner gave me a pain pill, and my life drastically changed from there. I was hooked, it was like no other feeling I ever felt, and I needed more. Those feelings intensified, so when my partner was not looking I would go into their bag and steal their pills. Finally completing my trifecta of: body, alcohol and pills, I was set, and my life was like that for the whole relationship with my partner at the time. Avoided my family, no Communication with my friends, and Exploded with fury at my partner.

To understand the demise of our relationship is for me to explain how it comes crumbling down piece by piece, until it was glass shattered all over us, that we were cut with each blade, and we had scars all over of our body, and yet we were both in denial that “everything is OK”.  In the Beginning of our relationship, I felt like I was floating on air, I was happy all the time like a kid at the Amusement park, the joy, endless conversations that made me feel like finally I was not alone. Unfortunately, alcohol came into the picture, and we were always arguing, sometimes I could not even stand their ass, and wanted them out of my sight. Like a gnat that was in my face, and I wanted to smack the shit out of it and get it the hell away from me! Our conversations would be filled with such love and care. The beginning of our wonderful partnership was like….

Hi babe, how was your day?”

“I miss you”

“I love you”

“Let’s go have dinner, where would you like to go?”

Drastically, over time, the relationship was crumbling; we were drinking daily, and the BEB was more present than Jorgie.

“Hey did you fold the laundry?”

“Did you take the dogs out?”

“Did you clean up the dog shit?”

“Yeah let’s go eat and get it over with”.

On June 5, 2022, my ex of 12 years kicked me out of our shared Townhouse. Months later, I would send them a text saying, “Thank you for doing that; you kicking me out was doing me the biggest favor, and I am sober now”.” I know deep deep deep down in my heart that if I stayed in that relationship I would not be sober. My therapist asked me “What would happen if you stayed in that relationship?” I said, “I would be dead”. Now I am 2 years sober, and it is one of my greatest accomplishments that I have ever done for myself, by myself.

On June 6, 2022, I moved back in with my family; they opened their arms and welcomed me back home to heal, detox, and recover. Fortunately, this time back home, I informed my family members that I had boundaries; I was still in recovery and currently medicated. My mom spoke to my dad and told him that I needed my space and that any disagreements between them should be resolved on their own and not get me involved like a referee when I was just a child. What I did a lot as a child, though, turned me into a Voracious Reader as an Adult, and it was not until I found “QuitLit,” which is interpreted as (Literature of Quitting Drinking), that I began to dive into the readings, journaling, and self-reflections. I felt less alone and connected with other people online and on social media. Afterwards, I decided to seek out a therapist, and it has been vital to my growth and mental health. Reconnecting with my Family (Repairing the damages done to each other many years ago, through support and communication), reading, community, and therapy are the glorious components that have kept me sober. Taking it one day at a time, it is not easy, but I keep going.

About the author, Jorgie: I’m a kindergarten teacher who’s been an educator for 16 years. I am two years sober, and proud of it. I like to do writing on the side, and have two dogs and one cat. 

Jorgie has recently created a Substack to continue to share his work, and you can follow him on Instagram here. His IG stories are so fun to follow!